1 00:00:08,570 --> 00:00:17,159 [Music] 2 00:00:25,210 --> 00:00:20,620 welcome to share with reality with your 3 00:00:28,179 --> 00:00:25,220 host Kate Valentine and Persia prepare 4 00:00:32,259 --> 00:00:28,189 to have a paradigm shifted in your 5 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:32,269 truths questioned and now shattered 6 00:00:40,810 --> 00:00:37,250 reality well hi Felicia 7 00:00:44,530 --> 00:00:40,820 hello there Kate Valentine it's good to 8 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:44,540 be speaking to you again it is and we 9 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:47,570 have a wonderful show today but let's 10 00:00:54,060 --> 00:00:49,190 slate okay 11 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:54,070 is Tuesday December 6th okay when he 12 00:00:59,469 --> 00:00:57,290 16:10 we're back with shattered reality 13 00:01:03,490 --> 00:00:59,479 today's show we have a very interesting 14 00:01:08,620 --> 00:01:03,500 guest a gentleman who has been in the 15 00:01:13,359 --> 00:01:08,630 field of spirituality edge science 16 00:01:14,349 --> 00:01:13,369 health and all sorts of interesting 17 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:14,359 things 18 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:17,450 his name is Alan steinfeldt 19 00:01:24,639 --> 00:01:21,170 he is from New York City and he is 20 00:01:27,099 --> 00:01:24,649 involved with new realities that's the 21 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:27,109 name he shares one word with us the 22 00:01:32,919 --> 00:01:30,890 reality word and in fact many of the 23 00:01:35,529 --> 00:01:32,929 things that he is involved with are 24 00:01:39,999 --> 00:01:35,539 similar but he has a bigger umbrella I 25 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:40,009 would say he has done programs in New 26 00:01:46,779 --> 00:01:42,530 York City that I have participated in as 27 00:01:49,929 --> 00:01:46,789 well as he had me on an audio podcast of 28 00:01:54,309 --> 00:01:49,939 his and he has videos on YouTube so 29 00:01:58,209 --> 00:01:54,319 let's welcome mr. Alan Steinfeld welcome 30 00:02:00,069 --> 00:01:58,219 Alan so good I hear I do both this is 31 00:02:04,149 --> 00:02:00,079 really an honor because I know I'm 32 00:02:09,010 --> 00:02:04,159 talking to like-minded people and yeah 33 00:02:11,890 --> 00:02:09,020 yeah good start I I was very very well 34 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:11,900 Alan has figured in my life in a couple 35 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:15,110 of ways we know each other for a while 36 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:17,360 and we see each other sometimes at a 37 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:20,170 vegetarian restaurant here are there or 38 00:02:24,540 --> 00:02:22,330 bump into one another but and and we're 39 00:02:27,330 --> 00:02:24,550 always really friendly but that's not 40 00:02:28,890 --> 00:02:27,340 the basis about this he has done two 41 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:28,900 things in my life which are very 42 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:31,510 important firstly the first thing he did 43 00:02:38,790 --> 00:02:34,720 was he was the the point of contact 44 00:02:44,610 --> 00:02:38,800 initially between myself and Russell 45 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:44,620 Targ he had a program for about about 46 00:02:52,140 --> 00:02:48,370 one of Russell parks books and we spoke 47 00:02:54,690 --> 00:02:52,150 about remote viewing and I did a remote 48 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:54,700 viewing session with Russell Targ 49 00:02:59,699 --> 00:02:57,489 because of Alan Steinfeld that was the 50 00:03:01,830 --> 00:02:59,709 first thing and that was wonderful so he 51 00:03:04,110 --> 00:03:01,840 was a he was a he was the person who 52 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:04,120 connected me to my friend Russell Park 53 00:03:11,729 --> 00:03:07,930 and then I actually went on a trip to 54 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:11,739 Italy to dominar with Alan Steinfeld 55 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:16,330 Alan so what's up with you today 56 00:03:20,910 --> 00:03:18,610 what happened that I forgot about the 57 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:20,920 Russell Targ connection I didn't forget 58 00:03:25,380 --> 00:03:23,590 about our trip to Italy with a whole 59 00:03:28,350 --> 00:03:25,390 bunch of other really interesting people 60 00:03:31,140 --> 00:03:28,360 where what was the purpose of the tow I 61 00:03:33,569 --> 00:03:31,150 mean those kind of the purpose of the 62 00:03:35,370 --> 00:03:33,579 trip yeah what was it a question yeah 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:35,380 that's a question for Kate that's a 64 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:37,930 question was there a topic I'm assuming 65 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:39,970 there was a topic and people were 66 00:03:45,390 --> 00:03:42,610 meeting to discuss it well I'm getting 67 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:45,400 an overview that includes that my job my 68 00:03:51,150 --> 00:03:48,640 vision my my company ascents new 69 00:03:53,819 --> 00:03:51,160 realities new realities is about 70 00:03:55,770 --> 00:03:53,829 connecting the dots of a greater 71 00:03:58,199 --> 00:03:55,780 spiritual reality that we're actually 72 00:04:00,630 --> 00:03:58,209 living in that most people don't know 73 00:04:05,460 --> 00:04:00,640 about so whether that's remote viewing 74 00:04:07,410 --> 00:04:05,470 or spiritual community and or or my 75 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:07,420 television program my interview channels 76 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:10,360 and a lot of UFO research it's all about 77 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:13,120 the same thing that reality as we know 78 00:04:19,349 --> 00:04:15,370 it as we've been conditioned to think 79 00:04:21,900 --> 00:04:19,359 about it isn't what is real isn't what 80 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:21,910 it's true there's another level which 81 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:24,250 I'm sure you're both aware of a 82 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:26,710 spiritual essence which is the 83 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:29,110 overriding factor really in people's 84 00:04:33,660 --> 00:04:32,410 lives or should be and this is the time 85 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:33,670 that we're coming in 86 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:37,450 - this is a reality's unfoldment that we 87 00:04:44,220 --> 00:04:39,280 are moving into collectively all the 88 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:44,230 food by the last election but it is it 89 00:04:51,450 --> 00:04:47,170 is I think things like the national 90 00:04:54,090 --> 00:04:51,460 election show us the dark areas we have 91 00:04:56,070 --> 00:04:54,100 to move through collectively in order to 92 00:04:59,940 --> 00:04:56,080 come to this greater civilization that 93 00:05:03,090 --> 00:04:59,950 we all know exists so that sort of 94 00:05:05,390 --> 00:05:03,100 connected us we are kind of we are like 95 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:05,400 our focus is a little bit different here 96 00:05:10,890 --> 00:05:08,710 insofar as we don't talk too much about 97 00:05:12,630 --> 00:05:10,900 spirituality though we're not against 98 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:12,640 spirituality in any way shape or form 99 00:05:18,150 --> 00:05:15,730 but we are more about looking at it from 100 00:05:21,810 --> 00:05:18,160 the other side which is consciousness 101 00:05:25,590 --> 00:05:21,820 and how consciousness is ubiquitous in 102 00:05:27,690 --> 00:05:25,600 in the universe and that sort of 103 00:05:29,850 --> 00:05:27,700 connects it so we can yes well two 104 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:29,860 people who are like edge science people 105 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:32,050 which is kind of what we're about but I 106 00:05:38,580 --> 00:05:35,050 think what Kate was asking you Alan is I 107 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:38,590 know why we went to Domino but maybe you 108 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:40,410 would like to tell our audience about 109 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:44,130 why we went to Domino and we're well I 110 00:05:50,940 --> 00:05:47,770 mostly in Italy but we're in Italy its 111 00:05:53,460 --> 00:05:50,950 northern Italy north of Torino but for 112 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:53,470 me I just want to say there's not really 113 00:05:58,580 --> 00:05:55,810 a big difference between consciousness 114 00:06:01,920 --> 00:05:58,590 and spirituality I don't see that as 115 00:06:05,070 --> 00:06:01,930 distinct in my understanding of the term 116 00:06:06,990 --> 00:06:05,080 I see consciousness spirituality 117 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:07,000 whatever you want to call it all part of 118 00:06:12,270 --> 00:06:10,150 a bigger framework about perceptions so 119 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:12,280 this is really where I jump in are you 120 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:14,830 tired of you I agree with you but if you 121 00:06:19,410 --> 00:06:17,350 if you want to speak to a scientist most 122 00:06:21,690 --> 00:06:19,420 scientists if you turn around and say 123 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:21,700 spirituality they don't want to talk to 124 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:23,230 you but if you turn around and say 125 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:27,520 consciousness if you say consciousness 126 00:06:32,910 --> 00:06:30,310 and and talk about from the point of 127 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:32,920 view of consciousness and how like Max 128 00:06:36,750 --> 00:06:34,930 Planck said you can't get behind 129 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:36,760 consciousness because everything that 130 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:41,680 science does is sort of like um is it is 131 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:42,910 done from a point of view of 132 00:06:47,230 --> 00:06:44,170 consciousness you have to have 133 00:06:50,890 --> 00:06:47,240 consciousness to experiment 134 00:06:52,990 --> 00:06:50,900 in science and so that's the reason I'm 135 00:06:55,570 --> 00:06:53,000 you know I agree there was a lot the 136 00:06:57,730 --> 00:06:55,580 same about it okay I understand what 137 00:06:59,680 --> 00:06:57,740 you're saying but I think no even from a 138 00:07:01,749 --> 00:06:59,690 scientific point of view I think the 139 00:07:04,540 --> 00:07:01,759 word consciousness is actually a little 140 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:04,550 vague I mean what I think I would say 141 00:07:10,150 --> 00:07:06,650 and that includes this idea of reality 142 00:07:12,730 --> 00:07:10,160 is perception good perception is a word 143 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:12,740 we can all sort of understand absolutely 144 00:07:17,580 --> 00:07:16,330 and this is really if we want to kind of 145 00:07:21,219 --> 00:07:17,590 [Music] 146 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:21,229 what I I meant I'm trying to expand 147 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:23,810 people's perception which also includes 148 00:07:29,650 --> 00:07:26,570 a consciousness of what is possible and 149 00:07:32,230 --> 00:07:29,660 what is you know the whole idea behind 150 00:07:35,620 --> 00:07:32,240 shattered reality is that the reality of 151 00:07:38,230 --> 00:07:35,630 you thought was existing is not the 152 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:38,240 reality that truly is so absolutely 153 00:07:46,990 --> 00:07:41,360 which shattering paradigms here and so 154 00:07:49,059 --> 00:07:47,000 are you exactly so my whole awakening to 155 00:07:52,510 --> 00:07:49,069 that happens because my reality was 156 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:52,520 shattered by some type of contact UFO et 157 00:08:00,430 --> 00:07:55,610 type contact I mean I you know had no 158 00:08:02,860 --> 00:08:00,440 reference points what was happening to 159 00:08:04,649 --> 00:08:02,870 me I mean I don't know if we want to get 160 00:08:07,209 --> 00:08:04,659 jump into that but we could you know I 161 00:08:09,730 --> 00:08:07,219 don't want to get into that Allen but I 162 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:09,740 want you to answer just for the sake of 163 00:08:16,089 --> 00:08:12,770 our listeners talk to talk to the 164 00:08:18,730 --> 00:08:16,099 question about going to Domino ER and 165 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:18,740 why don't we went to Nam and we're now 166 00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:21,530 how it is the kind of community that it 167 00:08:26,620 --> 00:08:24,560 is and what it is anything well don't 168 00:08:28,330 --> 00:08:26,630 want to fill in I can fill in - yeah 169 00:08:30,370 --> 00:08:28,340 you're telling what your piece because I 170 00:08:33,370 --> 00:08:30,380 think the reason I went was because I 171 00:08:37,510 --> 00:08:33,380 was really excited about a group of 172 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:37,520 people I was back 10 500 maybe a 173 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:39,770 thousand living in community with the 174 00:08:43,420 --> 00:08:41,510 folks with unconsciousness the focus was 175 00:08:44,380 --> 00:08:43,430 on a collective awareness they were 176 00:08:47,050 --> 00:08:44,390 living differently 177 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:47,060 damas looking at different yes they were 178 00:08:50,590 --> 00:08:48,770 living in a different way than normal 179 00:08:51,970 --> 00:08:50,600 society and that was really attractive 180 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:51,980 to me what were you going to say I was 181 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:54,890 going to say da manure is physically a 182 00:09:00,670 --> 00:08:58,370 place as you know which is in the Val de 183 00:09:03,340 --> 00:09:00,680 que cela in northern Italy 184 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:03,350 just above Torino and it's at the 185 00:09:10,930 --> 00:09:07,490 foothills of the Italian Alps it was 186 00:09:14,260 --> 00:09:10,940 started by a man named I Berto IOT I 187 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:14,270 hope I'm saying alberto iot who is also 188 00:09:22,420 --> 00:09:17,890 known as falco he and a group of 189 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:22,430 individuals about 30 years ago went up 190 00:09:27,310 --> 00:09:24,529 to this area they had purchased some 191 00:09:31,030 --> 00:09:27,320 land they dug under the ground and they 192 00:09:32,829 --> 00:09:31,040 dug out these magnificent caves caverns 193 00:09:35,980 --> 00:09:32,839 in the ground they dug them out of the 194 00:09:40,150 --> 00:09:35,990 dolomite there and they painted them and 195 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:40,160 they put in art so uhm it was secret for 196 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:42,890 many years and then about or 20 years 197 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:46,250 yeah secret for then about 10-12 years 198 00:09:53,829 --> 00:09:50,529 ago it became open to the public because 199 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:53,839 the government wanted to shut it down as 200 00:09:59,790 --> 00:09:57,050 I recall but then one of the person who 201 00:10:02,260 --> 00:09:59,800 came up there to look at it was so 202 00:10:06,699 --> 00:10:02,270 overwhelmed by the beauty of the place 203 00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:06,709 that he he reported back to the 204 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:08,150 government that it should be a national 205 00:10:13,870 --> 00:10:10,970 treasure and not be shut down am i but 206 00:10:15,699 --> 00:10:13,880 about correct on this Ellen yeah the 207 00:10:18,010 --> 00:10:15,709 other thing I would just add is that 208 00:10:21,250 --> 00:10:18,020 they actually just did capped a hollow 209 00:10:24,340 --> 00:10:21,260 out the whole inside of a mountain and 210 00:10:26,199 --> 00:10:24,350 built a temple they built many temples 211 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:26,209 inside these mountains and temples to 212 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:30,560 different types of energy so yeah there 213 00:10:36,370 --> 00:10:32,990 were about there were lots of different 214 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:36,380 rooms in this huge inside mountain 215 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:38,810 inside this mountain and so each of 216 00:10:42,460 --> 00:10:40,310 these rooms what was one of them the 217 00:10:45,910 --> 00:10:42,470 hall of ancestors the Hall of Mirrors 218 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:45,920 the Hall of dreams and each one had a 219 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:47,930 very powerful essence and have to also 220 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:51,410 say Falco and then who knows that he was 221 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:54,170 from the future and who was directed to 222 00:11:03,010 --> 00:10:57,410 come back in time and build this as a 223 00:11:05,889 --> 00:11:03,020 kind of forward invitation to how we 224 00:11:07,269 --> 00:11:05,899 might live on planet Earth so all the 225 00:11:08,620 --> 00:11:07,279 people coming around if you don't want 226 00:11:10,510 --> 00:11:08,630 to use the word spiritual we're very 227 00:11:12,340 --> 00:11:10,520 kawaii we're happy to use the word 228 00:11:14,139 --> 00:11:12,350 spiritual I've just said that this is 229 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:14,149 not about per se 230 00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:16,980 spirituality but it's more about about 231 00:11:21,499 --> 00:11:18,959 edge science and stuff like that but 232 00:11:23,689 --> 00:11:21,509 what go forward I am having to use the 233 00:11:25,639 --> 00:11:23,699 word spiritual I'm sorry no I would say 234 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:25,649 no dummies are no way I understand where 235 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:26,610 you're coming right so anyway this 236 00:11:31,059 --> 00:11:28,350 community was about a spiritual 237 00:11:34,569 --> 00:11:31,069 awareness a conscious awareness and oh 238 00:11:37,489 --> 00:11:34,579 at is the awareness that there's other 239 00:11:39,769 --> 00:11:37,499 dimensional realities that we interface 240 00:11:44,030 --> 00:11:39,779 with so a big part of their work was 241 00:11:46,489 --> 00:11:44,040 dreaming time travel they said in my 242 00:11:48,379 --> 00:11:46,499 interview with Falco I was there and and 243 00:11:50,479 --> 00:11:48,389 of course we were really lucky to see 244 00:11:53,929 --> 00:11:50,489 him you know lutely before he passed on 245 00:11:57,199 --> 00:11:53,939 absolutely so the one thing I remembered 246 00:11:58,850 --> 00:11:57,209 about that interview I asked him about 247 00:12:01,369 --> 00:11:58,860 time travel because they claim to have 248 00:12:04,669 --> 00:12:01,379 time travel chambers there at Diamond 249 00:12:08,410 --> 00:12:04,679 and he said that time is a matter 250 00:12:11,179 --> 00:12:08,420 of property like every place at the time 251 00:12:13,970 --> 00:12:11,189 kind of signature to it so you have like 252 00:12:17,590 --> 00:12:13,980 a table in your room there that table is 253 00:12:21,739 --> 00:12:17,600 round and it's tall and sit but it also 254 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:21,749 exists in a time that's a signature of 255 00:12:29,119 --> 00:12:24,809 that thing so if you could somehow 256 00:12:32,809 --> 00:12:29,129 transfer the temporal signature of an 257 00:12:34,519 --> 00:12:32,819 object you could also trap make it 258 00:12:36,619 --> 00:12:34,529 travel in time that's sort of what I 259 00:12:38,629 --> 00:12:36,629 remember that make sense yeah I said 260 00:12:41,389 --> 00:12:38,639 that that basically that's basically 261 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:41,399 what they were saying I kind of 262 00:12:49,460 --> 00:12:44,850 psychically got a connection for them to 263 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:49,470 the Cather's in France and when I got a 264 00:12:54,980 --> 00:12:52,410 chance to speak to to Falco when I was 265 00:12:57,199 --> 00:12:54,990 able to get up and as my question I 266 00:13:00,470 --> 00:12:57,209 asked him about that and he indicated 267 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:00,480 that yes in fact that was true that he 268 00:13:04,909 --> 00:13:02,459 was somehow connected to the Cather's 269 00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:04,919 but he didn't he didn't go on and tell 270 00:13:10,189 --> 00:13:08,160 us that however one thing that I want to 271 00:13:13,729 --> 00:13:10,199 be clear is that there are multi 272 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:13,739 dimensions to the the Domino experience 273 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:17,100 it was artistic it was spiritual 274 00:13:24,289 --> 00:13:22,169 it was ecological and more and political 275 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:24,299 also because they had their own money 276 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:27,550 they was separate from from the 277 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:31,510 the country of Italy in certain ways but 278 00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:34,090 I just I don't want to go up too long on 279 00:13:38,730 --> 00:13:36,880 doable socially they were different too 280 00:13:41,820 --> 00:13:38,740 because they busy communities of twenty 281 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:41,830 people not in nuclear families they were 282 00:13:46,110 --> 00:13:43,990 really creating and this is what 283 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:46,120 attracted me is that they were really 284 00:13:52,610 --> 00:13:49,690 creating a new way of living with each 285 00:13:54,810 --> 00:13:52,620 other in community within society and 286 00:13:58,500 --> 00:13:54,820 doing things differently that that's 287 00:14:01,260 --> 00:13:58,510 what was so special about visiting them 288 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:01,270 yeah I agree and I'm so glad that I went 289 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:04,510 and I'm so glad that you instituted that 290 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:06,910 trip it was a it was a fantastic 291 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:09,070 experience and I want to thank you for 292 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:11,920 that and also for kind of making it 293 00:14:17,540 --> 00:14:14,410 possible for me to first time meet 294 00:14:22,610 --> 00:14:17,550 Russell Targ who has become you know a 295 00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:22,620 friend so great moving on from there we 296 00:14:32,340 --> 00:14:27,600 are coming up to it's asking you about 297 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:32,350 what it is right now that you want to 298 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:36,690 tell us about your experience with of 299 00:14:43,980 --> 00:14:40,090 aliens with UFOs you are an experiencer 300 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:43,990 and I wonder if you could tell us that 301 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:47,940 whole situation tell us what happened I 302 00:14:55,860 --> 00:14:51,010 will I mean there's so many at when 303 00:14:59,040 --> 00:14:55,870 you're an experiencer as you know the 304 00:15:03,810 --> 00:14:59,050 time lapse and interactions and it's 305 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:03,820 hard to get it all in a kind of 306 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:07,290 chronological order but my earliest 307 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:09,310 experiences and I think I've shared this 308 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:11,530 with you before and from something you 309 00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:14,370 wrote on one of your blog's yes was wake 310 00:15:20,490 --> 00:15:18,160 waking up like when I was maybe 13 or 14 311 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:20,500 and not being able to move and at the 312 00:15:28,350 --> 00:15:23,010 same time hearing a really loud sound 313 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:28,360 feeling like I was being pulled by the 314 00:15:33,180 --> 00:15:31,090 back of my neck now I don't know if that 315 00:15:36,690 --> 00:15:33,190 was UFO related but it was related to 316 00:15:41,580 --> 00:15:36,700 something out of I out of body but out 317 00:15:45,390 --> 00:15:41,590 of body with a presence that was 318 00:15:49,370 --> 00:15:45,400 a kind of creepy eerie sort of probably 319 00:15:53,850 --> 00:15:49,380 the greys I would say were part of this 320 00:15:56,310 --> 00:15:53,860 interface between this kind of 321 00:15:58,410 --> 00:15:56,320 experience that I had and then I also 322 00:16:03,720 --> 00:15:58,420 had a trip cross-country that was one 323 00:16:05,850 --> 00:16:03,730 level and then one in 1987 you remember 324 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:05,860 that year 87 the year the harmonic 325 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:11,050 convert yes when when a lot of them I 326 00:16:15,690 --> 00:16:13,510 would say awareness of consciousness was 327 00:16:19,410 --> 00:16:15,700 sort of a dawning of a new time I mean 328 00:16:24,090 --> 00:16:19,420 the 60s of course was a dawning of a age 329 00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,100 but 80s the mid 80s was a kind of coming 330 00:16:29,250 --> 00:16:25,920 together what was called new age 331 00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:29,260 although by the time in the 80s ended no 332 00:16:33,270 --> 00:16:30,880 one wanted to be called new age goes 333 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:33,280 twenty somehow got a bad name I don't 334 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:36,010 know why I liked the term new age I mean 335 00:16:40,530 --> 00:16:38,410 it was kind of a referred to flux 336 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:40,540 spirituality which it really wasn't it 337 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:43,330 was about people trying to understand 338 00:16:48,510 --> 00:16:46,690 what consciousness is but anyway in 1987 339 00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:48,520 there was something called the harmonic 340 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:50,110 convergence a lot of people were coming 341 00:16:56,030 --> 00:16:51,970 together on a global level I would say 342 00:16:59,240 --> 00:16:56,040 was the first truly global conscious 343 00:17:02,400 --> 00:16:59,250 awakening collective conscious awakening 344 00:17:04,650 --> 00:17:02,410 so I was traveling that summer checking 345 00:17:06,990 --> 00:17:04,660 out a lot of places that were focused on 346 00:17:10,550 --> 00:17:07,000 the harmonic convergence I was in Sedona 347 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:10,560 for the first time Santa Fe I went to 348 00:17:17,340 --> 00:17:14,290 Washington State in Oregon and then I 349 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:17,350 was driving back cross-country from 350 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:20,290 Oregon the Oregon Country Fair I was at 351 00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:24,250 in 1987 and had this girl or friend we 352 00:17:28,650 --> 00:17:26,470 were driving in my van and we driving 353 00:17:30,450 --> 00:17:28,660 all day long like 12 hours and we were 354 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:30,460 going more into the East Coast so we 355 00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:34,570 stopped at this little place and I to 356 00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:36,300 remember it was North Platte Nebraska 357 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:39,190 which is western Nebraska and it was 358 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:42,310 like by these canals these little mmm 359 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:44,890 deserted canals and and we were just 360 00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:47,710 really tired we just passed out we just 361 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:50,980 kind of went right to bed right we just 362 00:17:54,830 --> 00:17:53,830 fell right to sleep and then we woke up 363 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:54,840 in the same 364 00:17:59,090 --> 00:17:57,090 in the morning that following morning in 365 00:18:02,210 --> 00:17:59,100 the same position we went to bed and 366 00:18:08,049 --> 00:18:02,220 like as if we were frozen as if we were 367 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:08,059 just you know I don't know drugged or 368 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:10,830 unmovable or something but it was 369 00:18:14,239 --> 00:18:12,809 strange you never wake up in the same 370 00:18:16,159 --> 00:18:14,249 position you go to sleep and you don't 371 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:16,169 even remember what position you go to 372 00:18:19,580 --> 00:18:17,850 sleep then but you know right anyway 373 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:19,590 there was something very strange and 374 00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:22,049 there was something very again eerie or 375 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:24,600 creepy about that so anyway I drove we 376 00:18:32,450 --> 00:18:29,369 drove back and then it was the summer 377 00:18:34,669 --> 00:18:32,460 time as time before the Augustana mind 378 00:18:36,919 --> 00:18:34,679 converges and I'm at the pool and my 379 00:18:38,989 --> 00:18:36,929 mother who I think has a part of a 380 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:38,999 history of abductions noticed this mark 381 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:41,610 on the back of my leg which was a four 382 00:18:47,389 --> 00:18:45,090 prong puncture mark haha and she said 383 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:47,399 and she said what is that I said I don't 384 00:18:53,210 --> 00:18:48,809 know I mean who looks at the back of 385 00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:53,220 their knee and I said I don't know what 386 00:18:56,869 --> 00:18:55,200 that is it's probably a spider bite and 387 00:18:59,269 --> 00:18:56,879 then I started to get involved at that 388 00:19:02,210 --> 00:18:59,279 point with Budd Hopkins and the intruder 389 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:02,220 Foundation and I actually did it was 390 00:19:07,159 --> 00:19:04,820 doing a video for a woman with some 391 00:19:09,639 --> 00:19:07,169 choreographing for abduction experience 392 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:09,649 so I told her about this and she said 393 00:19:15,710 --> 00:19:12,480 about this mark on back my legs and she 394 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:15,720 said that is a mark of abduction and 395 00:19:21,049 --> 00:19:18,480 that just freaked me out I mean I'm so 396 00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:21,059 low free I couldn't comprehend that I 397 00:19:26,539 --> 00:19:24,539 couldn't done not except I mean sort of 398 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:26,549 accept it but I couldn't integrate it 399 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:29,850 because there was no memory consciously 400 00:19:34,999 --> 00:19:33,690 of that experience so I called the store 401 00:19:36,859 --> 00:19:35,009 friend of mine up I said you remember 402 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:36,869 that time we were slept at this thing I 403 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:39,570 think I I think we were taken aboard and 404 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:42,210 she was regressed I couldn't be real 405 00:19:46,129 --> 00:19:43,710 someone tried to regress me but anyway 406 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:46,139 she was regarde saw the whole thing we 407 00:19:50,779 --> 00:19:47,490 were taking a board and were floated 408 00:19:52,609 --> 00:19:50,789 aboard this ship and my my my back of my 409 00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:52,619 leg was connected to her ankle and they 410 00:19:58,519 --> 00:19:55,679 were kind of wiring us for for something 411 00:20:05,029 --> 00:19:58,529 some some kind of extraterrestrial 412 00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:05,039 experiment one phase and then the 413 00:20:11,050 --> 00:20:08,460 following summer I think it was 414 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:11,060 I remember having strange dreams about 415 00:20:17,930 --> 00:20:13,250 extraterrestrials one where they took 416 00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:17,940 sperm from me and I think it was like a 417 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:21,660 few weeks later they this is the 418 00:20:25,670 --> 00:20:24,330 weirdest part they these beings whoever 419 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:25,680 they were I couldn't actually see them 420 00:20:32,270 --> 00:20:28,010 woke me up in the middle of the night by 421 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:32,280 tickling the inside of my thigh and they 422 00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,080 did that three times and then when I 423 00:20:42,350 --> 00:20:36,960 finally came to they put this little I 424 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:42,360 guess it was a hybrid being in it looked 425 00:20:46,910 --> 00:20:45,090 like a little deer with big eyes and do 426 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:46,920 it didn't look like an et to me and my 427 00:20:50,030 --> 00:20:48,330 screen memory of course if you've been 428 00:20:52,790 --> 00:20:50,040 talking to abductees you know that 429 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:52,800 screen memory the way your mind creates 430 00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:56,130 some events to make it more accessible 431 00:21:02,990 --> 00:20:59,820 to to the body people fighting owls and 432 00:21:08,260 --> 00:21:03,000 raccoons typically I imagine a deer is 433 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,270 it is in there deers are common lots of 434 00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,080 animals are common because you don't 435 00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:12,720 want to see any tea I mean you could if 436 00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:14,820 you were integrated not for 437 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:17,460 consciousness but this is what I saw and 438 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:18,930 I thought that was weird enough I said 439 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:22,110 what what I to myself what is this I had 440 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,450 know some people have emotional 441 00:21:30,110 --> 00:21:26,880 connections to these hybrid offspring 442 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:30,120 months I feel anything I just said this 443 00:21:33,260 --> 00:21:31,140 is really weird 444 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:33,270 and then I sort of went back to sleep 445 00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:36,630 these these events take place and I 446 00:21:40,910 --> 00:21:39,120 would say for most abductees I can't 447 00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:40,920 speak really but the ones the 448 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:43,980 experiences I've had with contact it 449 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:46,650 takes place in an altered state of 450 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:49,050 consciousness and an altered awareness 451 00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:51,810 it doesn't like wearing one awareness 452 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:53,550 for talking you know and that's great 453 00:22:01,340 --> 00:21:56,810 this is more of a beta state right 454 00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,350 fractions with ETS do not take place in 455 00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:03,120 this level of continents you get you get 456 00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:05,940 that I would say that that is largely 457 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:09,900 true I would have to agree with you on 458 00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:13,290 that my experiences have been we're all 459 00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:15,780 experiences here at shattered reality on 460 00:22:24,419 --> 00:22:21,059 some level good I would have to say that 461 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:24,429 my early experiences were very much the 462 00:22:30,090 --> 00:22:26,850 same as yours which you had mentioned 463 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:30,100 being taken out of your body you thought 464 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:33,250 by Gray's I never saw Gray's but I did 465 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:35,740 have the feeling that not being alone 466 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:38,770 being forced out of my body being taken 467 00:22:48,049 --> 00:22:44,290 elsewhere um it's just really an unusual 468 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:48,059 circumstance that is shared by so many 469 00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:51,970 human beings across the planet and if 470 00:23:00,150 --> 00:22:56,320 you know of our friend Stanton Friedman 471 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:00,160 there when he goes and he's you know who 472 00:23:05,370 --> 00:23:02,650 Stanton Friedman is right Alan yes I've 473 00:23:09,299 --> 00:23:05,380 interview in my okay and so when he goes 474 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:09,309 into a place and to give a lecture he 475 00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:13,360 says how many people have seen UFOs out 476 00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,080 there and you know people about it 477 00:23:22,289 --> 00:23:19,600 depends on the group anywhere from 25 to 478 00:23:24,659 --> 00:23:22,299 75 percent of the people there will 479 00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:24,669 raise their hands and then he says to 480 00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:29,080 them okay how many of you reported that 481 00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:32,230 incident and maybe one or two hands goes 482 00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:34,960 up because most people are afraid of the 483 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,230 ridicule they don't want to be labeled 484 00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:41,200 they don't want to be stigmatized up in 485 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:44,500 their jobs or in their community so they 486 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,049 don't go out and report this stuff so if 487 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:49,360 you consider the people that report as 488 00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,570 only the tip of the iceberg people like 489 00:23:57,570 --> 00:23:55,360 you and I and Kate we're you know sort 490 00:24:00,900 --> 00:23:57,580 of at the vanguard here because we're 491 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:00,910 willing to to talk about this stuff but 492 00:24:05,940 --> 00:24:02,710 I think that this is really going to 493 00:24:09,090 --> 00:24:05,950 grow and grow throughout the 21st 494 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:09,100 century as long as humanity manages to 495 00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:12,760 survive so I'm well I just want to say 496 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:14,500 one thing about that it looked like we 497 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:17,950 were on a really good track with Hillary 498 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:22,809 Clinton about up John Podesta was really 499 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:25,270 on top of disclosure and then I have to 500 00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,190 say and people like Steve ambassador 501 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,679 amazing they the whole movement to seem 502 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:32,080 to be derailed by the change in the 503 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:34,810 election which was very disappointing 504 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:37,360 for for a lot of us you know what I'm 505 00:24:43,710 --> 00:24:40,510 saying yes we'll hop that we'll have to 506 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:43,720 see where this goes now we try to stay 507 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:45,970 away from politics on the show here no 508 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:48,010 I'm not saying it was wrong or right I 509 00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:51,850 said I was just looking forward to yes 510 00:24:57,270 --> 00:24:54,760 possible disclosure with Mao laughter 511 00:24:59,610 --> 00:24:57,280 yes we all work and John Podesta seemed 512 00:25:02,550 --> 00:24:59,620 to show an incredible interest in the 513 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:02,560 subject of UFOs so he wrote the ad for 514 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:06,090 Leslie Cain's book yes he did exactly 515 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:09,970 but I guess he was silenced as well but 516 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:14,170 before the or your experiences then you 517 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:16,510 were not a particularly spiritual person 518 00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:18,460 is that it the dis sort of awakened it 519 00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:20,740 in you mm that's a really good question 520 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:25,900 so let me see Alan so I think the whole 521 00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:28,870 idea of these early contact and I don't 522 00:25:32,130 --> 00:25:30,160 know if they were graves either because 523 00:25:36,540 --> 00:25:32,140 I actually have never seen graves I just 524 00:25:39,090 --> 00:25:36,550 felt a presence so oh great I don't know 525 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:39,100 if maybe even ready but I think because 526 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:44,170 my reality was shattered or altered as a 527 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:47,010 child would be sort of out of body type 528 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:50,650 experiences it made me aware that I was 529 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:53,710 not my body and when you know that 530 00:26:01,500 --> 00:25:56,770 you're more consciousness and I'm just 531 00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:01,510 the body it directs you to the kind of 532 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:03,280 spiritual material because those are the 533 00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:05,710 people writing about that yeah those are 534 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:08,470 so it kind of went hand-in-hand that's 535 00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:12,090 why I think people who separate mental 536 00:26:17,370 --> 00:26:14,680 spiritual communities and they say no 537 00:26:19,140 --> 00:26:17,380 UFOs are not par they don't feel like 538 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:19,150 there's a connection spiritual Anna I 539 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:21,010 think they're totally wrong for me there 540 00:26:25,770 --> 00:26:23,350 they're absolutely connected the whole 541 00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:25,780 idea of these other beings these other 542 00:26:30,930 --> 00:26:28,780 dimensions and for spirituality is 543 00:26:33,530 --> 00:26:30,940 nothing but another dimension it's 544 00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:33,540 another level of consciousness so they 545 00:26:38,370 --> 00:26:36,820 they they are absolutely connected so I 546 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:38,380 think does that answer your question 547 00:26:41,550 --> 00:26:39,250 Kate 548 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:41,560 yeah but very much yeah yeah that is it 549 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:43,690 so in other words it was always there 550 00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:45,910 and it just sort of awakened it in you 551 00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:47,100 or made you more aware 552 00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:51,750 this chair by having me fun I just 553 00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:55,380 brought it out the eetzi possibility yes 554 00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,020 and the spiritual I mean for me I was 555 00:27:02,120 --> 00:26:59,760 looking for answers so wherever I could 556 00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,130 find answers was that that was in the 557 00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,740 UFO literature or many people like Budd 558 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,200 Hopkins or people like John Mack who was 559 00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:09,840 really I think someone who pulled it all 560 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:12,630 together on there yeah yeah it was great 561 00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:15,090 I have one question a sport black 562 00:27:20,299 --> 00:27:17,160 anything like I have one question about 563 00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:20,309 that about how you feel about one aspect 564 00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:23,340 of that we had Budd Hopkins he was um I 565 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:25,980 think well he's passed on as has John 566 00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:29,130 Mack as have a number of other people 567 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:32,220 now but Hopkins was ill and he was a man 568 00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:34,730 oh how old was he we both went to his 569 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:39,059 about 70 issues but you and I you and I 570 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:40,890 saw each other at his memorial service 571 00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:44,370 at the friends the friends seminary 572 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:47,580 there on that day yeah and that was a 573 00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:50,850 very sad occasion but how many of these 574 00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:54,750 people like Carl aterna and Budd Hopkins 575 00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:58,470 and John Mac they have they have died up 576 00:28:03,169 --> 00:28:00,990 perhaps prematurely I'm not saying so 577 00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:03,179 much about poor buddy he was physically 578 00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:06,059 ill requites of but what do you think 579 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:09,179 about the passing of John Mac and Carla 580 00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:10,950 Turner are you familiar with Carla 581 00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:13,320 Turner I know Carla Turner's books 582 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:15,270 actually don't know what happened to her 583 00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:17,610 but I was a surprise that she did die I 584 00:28:24,140 --> 00:28:21,510 think John Maxo was an accident I do I 585 00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:24,150 don't think anyone I think you know it 586 00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:26,700 was sort of five or seven years after 587 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:28,470 the fact where he first came out with 588 00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:31,350 his book so I think it was unfortunate 589 00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,000 but I think I don't know what happened 590 00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,039 with Carla Turner whose books I really 591 00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:37,679 love but yes yes well Carla Turner I 592 00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:40,020 mean I'm not intimately familiar with 593 00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:44,039 her but I know that she had a tremendous 594 00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:48,659 amount of paranormal activity around her 595 00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:52,140 and that she moved I believe it was she 596 00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:54,900 was in Florida or Texas and she was she 597 00:28:59,030 --> 00:28:56,820 and her husband were both involved in 598 00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:59,040 teaching and then they ended up moving 599 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:00,840 to Arkansas 600 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:03,419 and then stuff started happening to them 601 00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,970 where they lived and then she she got 602 00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:08,159 very sick and she died very prematurely 603 00:29:13,220 --> 00:29:10,380 I mean I think she was a reasonably 604 00:29:15,140 --> 00:29:13,230 young woman certainly young for death I 605 00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,150 was she in her late 40s or something 606 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:18,240 like that and she passed on but she was 607 00:29:24,669 --> 00:29:21,210 a sort of exposing the underbelly of 608 00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:24,679 some of this et contact which wasn't 609 00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:27,990 particularly positive so I guess there's 610 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:31,049 a positive and negative side to the et 611 00:29:35,779 --> 00:29:34,529 contact and I don't you know I don't 612 00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:35,789 want to dwell on the negative side 613 00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,409 myself so I guess we don't think it was 614 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:42,480 a conspiracy I mean so many people have 615 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:45,090 exposed part I mean Betty Andreasen is 616 00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:47,250 still around Whitley Strieber I just had 617 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:49,500 lunch with the summer there's so many 618 00:29:55,399 --> 00:29:53,010 people that are exposing this that have 619 00:29:58,820 --> 00:29:55,409 been around a long time and they're 620 00:30:01,100 --> 00:29:58,830 still too David Jacobs is still around 621 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:01,110 where I don't entirely agree with him 622 00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,270 so I don't like to be too much of a 623 00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:05,520 conspiracy person I think you know 624 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,950 that's a rational way to look at it I 625 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:09,600 just wondered if you had any thoughts 626 00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:12,450 about it I my jury now I don't you know 627 00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,179 John that was right no I don't I don't 628 00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,480 die on ten Lords conspiracy I think of 629 00:30:23,659 --> 00:30:20,399 course there's a conspiracy to keep the 630 00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:23,669 UFO thing secret and that's going to be 631 00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:25,740 exposed but I don't know if they're 632 00:30:30,919 --> 00:30:28,590 really naughty I doubt that I got that I 633 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:30,929 mean you know they were should have you 634 00:30:35,419 --> 00:30:33,330 know anyway there's too much guy and I 635 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:35,429 think we're cracking the code I think 636 00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,130 you know if you listen to like Tom 637 00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:40,080 DeLonge and some of these other people 638 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:41,700 got started to get involved in 639 00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:44,490 disclosure this seems to be a break 640 00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:47,460 within the top secret intelligence where 641 00:30:53,049 --> 00:30:49,950 some of these people are trying to bring 642 00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:53,059 this out to the open I think Obama was 643 00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,500 hinting at it I think Bill Clinton which 644 00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:58,080 I think Hillary Clinton were hinting at 645 00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,399 it yes and I think not to get into 646 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:04,080 politics but I don't think Donald Trump 647 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:06,750 really cares about this subject cause he 648 00:31:13,789 --> 00:31:11,510 really just cares about his own so but I 649 00:31:14,749 --> 00:31:13,799 think he cares about it I don't think 650 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:14,759 it's of interest 651 00:31:19,339 --> 00:31:17,129 him to my understanding it's not about a 652 00:31:23,959 --> 00:31:19,349 lot of other interests them first 653 00:31:26,689 --> 00:31:23,969 but I do think that I do think that the 654 00:31:32,089 --> 00:31:26,699 question I wanted to talk about was Tom 655 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:32,099 DeLonge yeah he he's very interesting 656 00:31:36,499 --> 00:31:34,529 fellow he is of course was with a band 657 00:31:38,659 --> 00:31:36,509 he may still be with that band I'm not 658 00:31:41,539 --> 00:31:38,669 so sure if he's with the band still or 659 00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,549 not if he's doing other things now but I 660 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:44,159 it has been brought up that he may be 661 00:31:50,059 --> 00:31:48,329 the victim of disinformation and I don't 662 00:31:53,539 --> 00:31:50,069 know if he is or not I mean I'm not 663 00:31:55,399 --> 00:31:53,549 privy to that inside information but we 664 00:31:57,889 --> 00:31:55,409 can think of people who were who have 665 00:32:00,109 --> 00:31:57,899 started out with all the best interests 666 00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:00,119 in mind people like Linda Moulton Howe 667 00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:03,299 who got involved and then was taken into 668 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:08,399 a disinformation project by the American 669 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:10,529 military they brought her onto a base 670 00:32:14,569 --> 00:32:13,049 they gave her a little bit of real 671 00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,579 information a little bit of fake 672 00:32:19,879 --> 00:32:16,559 information and they they sent her out 673 00:32:21,379 --> 00:32:19,889 with it and uh you know I am really 674 00:32:23,209 --> 00:32:21,389 because I don't know about this 675 00:32:25,729 --> 00:32:23,219 information that I think Linda is a 676 00:32:28,459 --> 00:32:25,739 great resource I do too I don't know 677 00:32:31,189 --> 00:32:28,469 what disinformation she has but as far 678 00:32:33,829 --> 00:32:31,199 as Tom's along I talked to people who 679 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:33,839 made this their lives I mean sort of our 680 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:36,809 life too but they these people are Grant 681 00:32:42,739 --> 00:32:39,929 Cameron has the UFO presidential web we 682 00:32:44,899 --> 00:32:42,749 know grandma sure and Stephen Bassett I 683 00:32:48,169 --> 00:32:44,909 talked to both of those people about Tom 684 00:32:52,699 --> 00:32:48,179 DeLonge and they especially grant we 685 00:32:56,539 --> 00:32:52,709 went to ours he said grant was really 686 00:32:59,089 --> 00:32:56,549 brought in on the inside and he had he 687 00:33:02,089 --> 00:32:59,099 will he is given some false information 688 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:02,099 to make him look ridiculous but enough 689 00:33:06,649 --> 00:33:04,769 true information to bring out some of 690 00:33:09,019 --> 00:33:06,659 the secrets and I got things done right 691 00:33:12,969 --> 00:33:09,029 that's what this information is this 692 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:12,979 combination of real stuff versus 693 00:33:17,959 --> 00:33:15,569 misinformation and the stuff that is 694 00:33:20,299 --> 00:33:17,969 patently misinformation is put in there 695 00:33:23,979 --> 00:33:20,309 to make the researchers look like 696 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:23,989 forgive the expression horses asses I 697 00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:25,769 agree there's lots of information 698 00:33:30,430 --> 00:33:28,200 disinformation I think Linda 699 00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:30,440 I'm not like London I do to my authority 700 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:33,899 so I'm not sure what disinformation she 701 00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:36,690 was involved with well she was given so 702 00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:39,899 she was not the perpetrator of the 703 00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:44,039 disinformation but she was and she will 704 00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,470 probably tell you this herself I'm 705 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,200 guessing that they brought her in they 706 00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:51,440 gave her a whole bunch of information a 707 00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:55,080 good portion of which was incorrect and 708 00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,620 it sort of the effect was to make her 709 00:34:03,139 --> 00:34:01,440 look foolish at the time because she 710 00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:03,149 didn't know which was real and which 711 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,960 wasn't real 712 00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:05,940 you just don't when you're in that 713 00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:08,190 position and I'm I can't think of the 714 00:34:14,659 --> 00:34:10,740 two guys that were in on it right they 715 00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,669 involved too in that incident up in you 716 00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:16,440 know I can't think of it now you know at 717 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:18,839 the yellow foam and all that in a boat 718 00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:21,810 and it was in Canada are you talking 719 00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:23,879 about Maury island yeah yeah I think 720 00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:26,790 that Maury island is before Linda mo how 721 00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,190 much yeah I think that the men well I 722 00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:31,320 never heard of Maury island with Maury 723 00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:33,089 island you hadn't heard about the Maury 724 00:34:39,619 --> 00:34:36,119 Island incident I'm not sure I can do a 725 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:39,629 job okay but I will research I will just 726 00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:44,210 send a URI ma you are why emori Island 727 00:34:54,319 --> 00:34:50,639 it involved the report of a UFO that 728 00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:54,329 dropped slag from it looked like one of 729 00:35:03,710 --> 00:34:58,740 the UFOs of was up in the sky and kind 730 00:35:07,069 --> 00:35:03,720 of was not navigating properly and it it 731 00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:07,079 dropped slag onto a boat which killed 732 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:10,140 the fellows dog reported waning boat lag 733 00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:13,890 and I go yell at all or they described 734 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:16,859 it to as a yellow foamy substance okay 735 00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:19,050 they killed well there must be evidence 736 00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:22,020 of that then of that um and well it 737 00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:24,390 turned into a whole dog-and-pony show 738 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:27,630 where the military went there including 739 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:30,569 some Air Force people who then later 740 00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,810 went up in a plane and and died because 741 00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:36,240 they were carrying this slag there may 742 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:37,980 have been yellow foam but there was also 743 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:48,980 these physical this physical evidence 744 00:35:52,070 --> 00:35:50,490 evidence yes that's the word I was 745 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:52,080 looking for they were bringing this 746 00:35:56,890 --> 00:35:54,090 physical evidence back to the Air Force 747 00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,900 Base and there were two fairly high 748 00:36:03,200 --> 00:35:59,760 military officers and they were killed 749 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:03,210 in this plane that went down with the 750 00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:05,970 slide here was this young boy nineteen 751 00:36:11,780 --> 00:36:09,390 fifty fifty two four in that somewhere 752 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:11,790 was shortly active all vaguely familiar 753 00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:14,730 but so they never recovered the flag now 754 00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:18,300 they never recovered the slag and the 755 00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:23,120 fellow that was implicated in this 756 00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:26,460 situation was also seen on the grassy 757 00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:31,740 knoll yeah when Kennedy was shot and so 758 00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:34,910 you if you look it up you'll Chrisman 759 00:36:42,620 --> 00:36:38,670 chrismad Fred Fred Lee Chrisman is the 760 00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:42,630 perpetrator his I pulled that right out 761 00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:45,660 of my nose I'm telling you Oh Fred Lee 762 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:49,200 Chrisman was this person who were part 763 00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:52,710 of the Mori Island incident and he is 764 00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:55,980 the one who people say that they saw on 765 00:37:01,460 --> 00:36:58,770 the grassy knoll he might be a 766 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:01,470 disinformation operative from the 767 00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:03,330 government I thought I don't know this 768 00:37:08,090 --> 00:37:05,910 is all in enshrouded and certainly was 769 00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:08,100 Linda Mellon I mean that would make the 770 00:37:13,340 --> 00:37:11,520 man like very old but I don't have 771 00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:13,350 something to do with Linda Moulton Howe 772 00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:15,180 yeah I don't think so I don't know well 773 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:17,160 the book we may maybe it's not but I 774 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:19,110 need to disagree I don't know yeah sure 775 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:22,530 I did maybe like charettes involved with 776 00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:24,170 the can anything on the grassy knoll 777 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:29,390 that could be a whole timeline see you 778 00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,490 know I mean there's a lot of paranormal 779 00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,560 stuff that I don't think can be 780 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:36,960 explained from the old way of looking at 781 00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,490 things so that's really what's so 782 00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:41,040 exciting about what I'm doing is trying 783 00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:43,230 to understand reality in a different way 784 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:46,980 was not linear right it's not what we've 785 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:50,130 been told it is you know William that's 786 00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:52,650 the truth that time passes at different 787 00:37:57,870 --> 00:37:55,420 speeds and we are 788 00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:57,880 and time and abaya as biological 789 00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:00,400 entities but if we were not biological 790 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:02,920 entities just our consciousness does not 791 00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:05,290 have to be rooted in time I would say 792 00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:07,630 exactly that that's what the whole that 793 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:12,190 movie arrival Oh having a rival yes yes 794 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:14,410 it's a good movie I saw oh is he all 795 00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:18,010 right like it's it's all about time it's 796 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:21,240 really not about ETS it's about the 797 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:24,250 transmutation of time and consciousness 798 00:38:30,059 --> 00:38:27,450 and awareness and and a loop of time 799 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:30,069 very good movie it's a very good movie 800 00:38:37,319 --> 00:38:31,930 and I recommend it highly 801 00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:37,329 so right now you're about to do a show a 802 00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:40,660 not a show but a lecture a presentation 803 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:44,040 at the New York 804 00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,730 MUFON chapter up in Cary town and you're 805 00:38:53,339 --> 00:38:51,040 going to be speaking about a particular 806 00:38:56,430 --> 00:38:53,349 crop circle is that the case go would 807 00:38:58,049 --> 00:38:56,440 you like to flush it yeah well I'll tell 808 00:39:00,930 --> 00:38:58,059 you that but let me tell you what also 809 00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:00,940 I'm doing I'm actually writing about a 810 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:04,030 book about this whole idea about ETS and 811 00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:07,450 perception okay how our reality is 812 00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:08,260 distorted 813 00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:14,020 so I'm trying yes I was I said so I you 814 00:39:20,730 --> 00:39:17,140 know obviously we have sort of the 815 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:20,740 everyday idea of what reality is so what 816 00:39:25,799 --> 00:39:23,710 exactly is your description of the okay 817 00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:25,809 well it's like when you're in the 818 00:39:32,549 --> 00:39:28,420 presence of these beings or even if you 819 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:32,559 see a UFO there's a time distortion like 820 00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:35,410 we just said there's a a sense of 821 00:39:40,309 --> 00:39:37,900 reality of you actually kind of being 822 00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,319 separated from your body or your 823 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:43,599 consciousness being bigger because when 824 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:46,510 you're in contact with these beings 825 00:39:53,849 --> 00:39:50,650 they're in such a field of awareness it 826 00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:53,859 brings you to their field so for 827 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:55,900 instance did you ever meet like a some 828 00:39:59,730 --> 00:39:57,730 high spiritual teacher some guru and 829 00:40:02,520 --> 00:39:59,740 when you're in that presence there's a 830 00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:02,530 level of clarity and awareness that you 831 00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:05,470 don't have around ordinary people well 832 00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:07,480 the same thing in a way is true when 833 00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:08,230 you're around 834 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:11,800 ts your perception of my perception has 835 00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:14,890 been distorted it's been as if the 836 00:40:21,330 --> 00:40:17,340 gravity of their consciousness 837 00:40:25,849 --> 00:40:21,340 overshadows our basic human awareness so 838 00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:25,859 time bends colors look different the 839 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:29,470 fabric of space-time itself is distorted 840 00:40:34,109 --> 00:40:31,390 it's as if you're on drugs it's as if 841 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:34,119 you're in an altered state because of 842 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:37,750 the emanations of their conscious field 843 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:40,650 we're talking about field dynamics here 844 00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:43,810 distorts and it's not really but it 845 00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:49,300 distorts our human human Morpho genetic 846 00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:51,700 field so we because we're not in as 847 00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:56,220 great a field it has to bend towards the 848 00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:00,400 ET consciousness and that can either if 849 00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:02,830 you're really not a conscious being that 850 00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:03,790 just knocks you out 851 00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:06,430 there's no way to stay in awareness when 852 00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,400 you're in the ET space but if you are or 853 00:41:15,859 --> 00:41:11,440 where if you have worked on lucid 854 00:41:19,290 --> 00:41:15,869 dreaming or or more of a conscious 855 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:19,300 expansion then you could stay more lucid 856 00:41:26,849 --> 00:41:22,720 and more conscious in the ET space and 857 00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:26,859 have an awareness of those reality 858 00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:31,359 but if I dream like but this is just I 859 00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:33,700 agree are the sciences I definitely a 860 00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:36,340 great Allen and I think this is such an 861 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:39,640 important thing as disclosure comes 862 00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:44,170 closer to realize that it's not like 863 00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:46,540 like actually Linda Moulton Howe said 864 00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,550 when she was talking to John Mac it's 865 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:50,800 not going to happen over a cup of coffee 866 00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:53,890 when we're in that field she said this 867 00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:55,600 at the citizens hearing for UFO 868 00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,440 disclosure in Washington when we are 869 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:02,800 meeting the other these beings our whole 870 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:07,690 sense of reality shifts and this is why 871 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:11,530 disclosure is such a difficult topic and 872 00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:13,570 this is what I'll be talking about at 873 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:17,950 the UFO Roundtable up in Yonkers this 874 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:21,010 week the distortion of reality that 875 00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:21,609 we're going to 876 00:42:32,729 --> 00:42:29,700 acclimate to as the et presence gets 877 00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:32,739 closer the the notion of consciousness 878 00:42:38,729 --> 00:42:35,440 itself comes into question and this is 879 00:42:41,069 --> 00:42:38,739 this is the dress rehearsal for contact 880 00:42:44,009 --> 00:42:41,079 we have to start you're aware be aware 881 00:42:46,799 --> 00:42:44,019 that we are multi-dimensional that we 882 00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:46,809 exist on all levels at once that reality 883 00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:50,230 is not linear that these ETS can bend 884 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:53,380 time and space and actually our 885 00:42:58,769 --> 00:42:55,690 awareness itself so if we're going to 886 00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:58,779 make contact in a conscious way we have 887 00:43:05,009 --> 00:43:01,319 to realize that consciousness is 888 00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:05,019 malleable it's plastic it's fluid it 889 00:43:11,849 --> 00:43:08,440 bends and we have to become aware beings 890 00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,859 that can bend with consciousness itself 891 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:14,079 I don't make sense I agree with you 892 00:43:20,339 --> 00:43:17,049 largely and I would have to say that as 893 00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:20,349 Robert Monroe famously said we are more 894 00:43:25,950 --> 00:43:23,710 than our physical bodies and that is 895 00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:25,960 something that people have to understand 896 00:43:32,819 --> 00:43:29,140 but let's take that a little bit further 897 00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:32,829 and ask what your opinion is and I know 898 00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:36,880 that that Whitley Strieber has come in 899 00:43:44,579 --> 00:43:42,430 on this as well that when the idea of 900 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:44,589 disclosure talking about disclosure is 901 00:43:50,849 --> 00:43:48,670 it possible that the government are at 902 00:43:54,210 --> 00:43:50,859 least the black ops people that may know 903 00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:54,220 more about the of the et presence then 904 00:44:01,220 --> 00:43:57,670 we're given information on is it 905 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:01,230 possible that they are moving away from 906 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:03,730 disclosing because of the idea that 907 00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:08,890 maybe an average person who isn't up to 908 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:11,079 speed on these things just the you know 909 00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:12,910 the guy down the street mowing his lawn 910 00:44:21,509 --> 00:44:15,900 or the woman cooking dinner is not ready 911 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:21,519 for to become aware of ETS because they 912 00:44:25,650 --> 00:44:23,170 could bring that they could to burn out 913 00:44:27,269 --> 00:44:25,660 your circuits and in your mind if they 914 00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:27,279 are not ready for it and they probably 915 00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:30,460 don't even care well I think some of 916 00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:31,900 them care I think that here because 917 00:44:37,549 --> 00:44:34,920 there's only I don't know but i'ma I 918 00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:37,559 I really think you know you may get 919 00:44:41,299 --> 00:44:39,240 disclosure and there may be all these 920 00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:41,309 wonderful creatures and I think these 921 00:44:45,049 --> 00:44:43,260 average people go yeah that's great and 922 00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:45,059 they'll go I'm mowing the lawn and 923 00:44:49,789 --> 00:44:47,790 cooking their dinner and ten percent you 924 00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:49,799 know it's the old bell curve thing ten 925 00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,540 percent will be really interested ten 926 00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,940 percent use it for evil purposes and the 927 00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:56,160 other 80 percent oh go on mowing their 928 00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,170 lawns and cooking dinner but if they 929 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:00,780 have like I agree with that yes I would 930 00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:02,730 thought you said the ETS and care about 931 00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:05,160 me oh yeah me too you care they wouldn't 932 00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:08,220 be here well I think the ETS are giving 933 00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:11,880 us a very slow burning disclosure this 934 00:45:17,660 --> 00:45:14,579 is what Robert Hastings it is that they 935 00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:17,670 will come and go and it's even taken 936 00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:19,500 place over the centuries I mean what 937 00:45:23,890 --> 00:45:20,910 you're describing is religious 938 00:45:27,859 --> 00:45:23,900 experiences from the days of the caveman 939 00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:27,869 yes so I I mean you're exactly disco and 940 00:45:32,539 --> 00:45:30,660 biologist experience yes it's religious 941 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:32,549 experiences and I think there are really 942 00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:35,250 there's a distinction the physics of it 943 00:45:41,539 --> 00:45:39,630 which this experiences and ET 944 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,549 experiences although some people would 945 00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:43,920 claim may be in the past and an eating 946 00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,630 experience was a religious experience 947 00:45:51,490 --> 00:45:47,460 like Whitley sort of there is that 948 00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:51,500 bridge between the two but I do think 949 00:46:02,620 --> 00:45:57,660 UFO contact UFO sightings are up I think 950 00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:02,630 there's an increase in the level of 951 00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,859 awakenings and general spiritual 952 00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:06,480 awakenings people or night I've met 953 00:46:11,539 --> 00:46:09,390 about I don't know half a dozen people 954 00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,549 in the last few years suddenly they have 955 00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:13,200 this out of nowhere 956 00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:15,240 boom they have this awakening a lots of 957 00:46:23,420 --> 00:46:19,380 times they connected to the the et 958 00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:23,430 towards the Syrians or whatever kind of 959 00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:25,859 group you you seem to identify with but 960 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:28,260 the other part of the question is yes I 961 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:31,650 think like Copernicus who said that the 962 00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:34,170 earth was not the center of the universe 963 00:46:39,049 --> 00:46:37,260 and only a small percentage really care 964 00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:39,059 and was affected most people went on 965 00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:41,579 with their lives and said right oh so 966 00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,220 what I think that will be the same with 967 00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:47,520 the majority of people who don't see the 968 00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:48,839 reality that we're 969 00:46:52,249 --> 00:46:50,430 actually connected to something bigger 970 00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:52,259 and this is where the issue of 971 00:46:58,009 --> 00:46:53,940 spirituality of consciousness and the 972 00:47:01,219 --> 00:46:58,019 ETS Doomer yes first us when we are 973 00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,229 aware we're part of something bigger 974 00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:04,079 than our own little petty dramas it 975 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:07,079 wakes us up to the greater capacity of 976 00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:09,450 who we are as human being then there's a 977 00:47:16,969 --> 00:47:12,329 greater cosmos to interface with and 978 00:47:20,209 --> 00:47:16,979 more of our neural physiology get 979 00:47:23,059 --> 00:47:20,219 knighted in the exchange of a greater 980 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:23,069 possibility okay I'm I'm on board with 981 00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:24,690 all of that I want to take it a step 982 00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:27,960 back just for our listeners to sort of 983 00:47:34,459 --> 00:47:30,839 change definitions in a certain way 984 00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:34,469 because Kate's a religious experience of 985 00:47:39,709 --> 00:47:36,900 spiritual expression okay but I use it I 986 00:47:43,339 --> 00:47:39,719 gender I don't mean a organizer I get 987 00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:43,349 that I get that but I would just go I 988 00:47:50,049 --> 00:47:46,380 would call it if no one Minds just for 989 00:47:53,029 --> 00:47:50,059 the sake of of definition a transcendent 990 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:53,039 experience okay and my people have 991 00:47:57,979 --> 00:47:55,650 called those religious okay let me stop 992 00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:57,989 you right there let me stop you right 993 00:48:06,249 --> 00:48:00,900 there for a second because to me and it 994 00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:06,259 to use the word religious indicates a 995 00:48:14,839 --> 00:48:12,150 higher dogma or a set of a belief it's a 996 00:48:18,579 --> 00:48:14,849 belief system a religion is a belief 997 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:18,589 system and often people who have 998 00:48:24,219 --> 00:48:21,930 transcendent experiences come back from 999 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:24,229 the transcendent experience and 1000 00:48:32,209 --> 00:48:28,650 institute a system of beliefs that might 1001 00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:32,219 not be really contained in the actual 1002 00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:35,460 transcendent experience it is what they 1003 00:48:42,709 --> 00:48:39,630 they have done with it so I although I 1004 00:48:44,989 --> 00:48:42,719 don't have anything against someone 1005 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:44,999 having a religion you're all welcome to 1006 00:48:51,019 --> 00:48:47,130 whatever religion you choose as long as 1007 00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:51,029 it doesn't hurt anyone but I would say 1008 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:53,339 that using the word religion in this 1009 00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:55,650 context is probably just confusing 1010 00:48:58,969 --> 00:48:56,940 things you're not wrong right 1011 00:49:01,599 --> 00:48:58,979 no let me just clarify I think what 1012 00:49:02,750 --> 00:49:01,609 you're saying I would say that if you're 1013 00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:02,760 already 1014 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:05,700 involved in sort of a dogmatic religion 1015 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:07,770 if you have one of these contact and you 1016 00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:09,810 see a light flashing or something you 1017 00:49:15,610 --> 00:49:12,720 call it religious but all religious 1018 00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,620 experiences are actually transcendence 1019 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:18,240 experiences it just depends what frame 1020 00:49:23,450 --> 00:49:21,210 you put around it and of course there I 1021 00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,460 mean not all but I think a lot of the 1022 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:25,200 what people call really I mean I would 1023 00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,330 say all these experiences 1024 00:49:32,540 --> 00:49:30,180 you see Jesus maybe that's not a really 1025 00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:32,550 that's really an ET in disguise that's a 1026 00:49:36,830 --> 00:49:34,620 transcendent experience that you're 1027 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:36,840 limited psychology not yours but 1028 00:49:40,820 --> 00:49:38,250 people's limited psychology 1029 00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:40,830 calls religion there are no religious 1030 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:43,230 experiences are all transcendent right 1031 00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:45,810 that's where because religion well it 1032 00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:48,300 centers around a particular dogma I just 1033 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:50,190 want to be clear so people listening to 1034 00:49:55,070 --> 00:49:52,410 us don't misunderstand what we're saying 1035 00:49:58,220 --> 00:49:55,080 and I'm with both of you want on this 1036 00:50:00,170 --> 00:49:58,230 subject although I would say pointing to 1037 00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:00,180 Whitley's last book which I really 1038 00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:02,940 recommend reading this is the natural 1039 00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:05,300 but he did Whitman at Jeffrey Kerr Paul 1040 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:09,660 yes even calling it an ET experience is 1041 00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,090 a level of dogma yeah this is what 1042 00:50:16,610 --> 00:50:14,640 they're making point of and I agree 1043 00:50:18,860 --> 00:50:16,620 you know we're calling it ETS we're 1044 00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:18,870 calling these things experience we at 1045 00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:21,990 ETS but that's based on a very limited 1046 00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:25,140 belief system we actually don't know 1047 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:27,780 what these things are we have no idea we 1048 00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:29,970 have no friends so we call them ETS but 1049 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:32,520 that's fits into a box a banjo 1050 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:34,770 terrestrial doesn't necessarily mean 1051 00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:36,450 that they're from a particular star 1052 00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:39,660 system this doesn't mean we understand I 1053 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:42,150 mean this is the truth I mean as I see 1054 00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:46,050 it anything about what they are who they 1055 00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:47,550 are what they're here for 1056 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:50,430 we know nothing about it's as much as 1057 00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:52,890 how I see it your dog or your cat 1058 00:50:58,310 --> 00:50:55,800 looking at you at the computer they have 1059 00:51:02,420 --> 00:50:58,320 no idea they don't have the capacity 1060 00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,430 this is my theory about us and these ETS 1061 00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:05,280 or living at a greater capacity doesn't 1062 00:51:09,140 --> 00:51:07,140 mean that better than us or even greater 1063 00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:09,150 than us because I think on a soul level 1064 00:51:15,830 --> 00:51:13,070 they're equal to us but the capacity to 1065 00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:15,840 to maneuver through reality just like 1066 00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:16,680 our capacity 1067 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:19,230 as we compare to our animals is much 1068 00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:22,890 greater that's how much far in advance 1069 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:24,270 these beings 1070 00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:26,490 whoever they are are to us that's my 1071 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:28,619 period well yeah it sounds if that 1072 00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:31,290 sounds rational and it sounds as though 1073 00:51:38,059 --> 00:51:35,369 it's probably largely true how do you 1074 00:51:40,339 --> 00:51:38,069 come down on the part though I know 1075 00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:40,349 Whitley Strieber has mentioned a number 1076 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:45,990 of times that the UFO or ET reality if 1077 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:49,290 we find out about these these beings 1078 00:51:57,980 --> 00:51:54,530 that it sort of changes the paradigm 1079 00:52:03,200 --> 00:51:57,990 entirely and that on some level it might 1080 00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:03,210 be dangerous for us as humans no I don't 1081 00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:04,440 know if Whitley ever said it was 1082 00:52:09,140 --> 00:52:06,900 dangerous I think I never heard him say 1083 00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:09,150 that if I I think if we do find out 1084 00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:13,680 about it it does change the paradigm but 1085 00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:16,740 it also it may take us into a little bit 1086 00:52:22,099 --> 00:52:20,190 of a downside a little bit of a shock of 1087 00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:22,109 a shattered reality if you want to call 1088 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:25,380 it that but the upside of that is to 1089 00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:28,650 gain greater awareness to and creativity 1090 00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:30,839 it's sort of like when Columbus 1091 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:37,319 discovered the new world it brought more 1092 00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:40,890 invention it create I mean Columbus's 1093 00:52:45,799 --> 00:52:43,710 whole thing and Sogeti the movement of 1094 00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,809 the printing press and and religious 1095 00:52:52,089 --> 00:52:47,880 freedoms and the Protestant Reformation 1096 00:52:55,220 --> 00:52:52,099 and this whole idea of this new world 1097 00:52:57,890 --> 00:52:55,230 increase the creative movement of 1098 00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:57,900 Renaissance this is my theory so there's 1099 00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:02,640 a the upside to finding out about or the 1100 00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:06,180 politic acknowledgement of ET situation 1101 00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,440 will expand us in ways we cannot fathom 1102 00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:12,000 at this point because we're not 1103 00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:15,089 expanding you know we interesting it 1104 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:16,470 should be very very very very 1105 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:20,010 interesting exciting new reality okay 1106 00:53:24,140 --> 00:53:22,170 it'll be a new reality as that it will 1107 00:53:26,299 --> 00:53:24,150 be it that it will basically well 1108 00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:26,309 because it will on some level even 1109 00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:28,500 affect the guy mowing the lawn the woman 1110 00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:30,660 cooking dinner because suddenly 1111 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:32,550 a dinner will be a little bit different 1112 00:53:37,070 --> 00:53:35,010 maybe it will be vegetarian and maybe 1113 00:53:39,350 --> 00:53:37,080 beet will seem funny and then the guy 1114 00:53:40,750 --> 00:53:39,360 mowing the lawn will think oh maybe I 1115 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:40,760 shouldn't be destroying all these 1116 00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:43,890 chloroplasts you know and then yes or 1117 00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,300 maybe one more thing I think it's really 1118 00:53:53,780 --> 00:53:50,640 and I think this is the biggest threat 1119 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:53,790 that disclosure faces it means is ever 1120 00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:56,010 these flying these et whatever these 1121 00:54:01,550 --> 00:53:58,020 UFOs are running on they're not filling 1122 00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:01,560 up their gas tank with oil based product 1123 00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:03,990 they are this is the free energy matter 1124 00:54:09,350 --> 00:54:06,390 that the movie Thrive got into after it 1125 00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:09,360 took off from the this is the revolution 1126 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:13,020 the free energy revolution that that it 1127 00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:16,650 rides on the coattails of et disclosure 1128 00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,710 this is what the shake-up is about and 1129 00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:21,660 this is what it's going to reform 1130 00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,990 economic it has to be here that's the 1131 00:54:31,580 --> 00:54:29,460 only way to break the power the Middle 1132 00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:31,590 East is to get rid of the oil so I'm 1133 00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:33,270 sure it's but it's not happening but 1134 00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:36,510 it's okay are you how is it happening I 1135 00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:39,630 already tell me how many hybrid powers 1136 00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:42,510 do you see now compared to ten years now 1137 00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:46,230 how many why the hell others I would say 1138 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:47,670 ten percent of the roots here in New 1139 00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:50,010 Jersey have solar panels on them are 1140 00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:52,440 they running off the grid on solar power 1141 00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:55,740 yeah I think they are local is going is 1142 00:55:02,180 --> 00:54:58,530 e AG has solar powers they go going up 1143 00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:02,190 and down it's going off so far it's 1144 00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,260 going to be a hundred Reagan care not 1145 00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:05,760 because the oil companies still 1146 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:07,830 manipulate politics well yeah but 1147 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:09,930 petrochemicals used in plastic and other 1148 00:55:14,990 --> 00:55:12,330 things as well but why do you need to 1149 00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:15,000 replace all that oil is still big 1150 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:16,590 business that was the whole Dakota 1151 00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:18,930 pipeline thing yeah they want more oil 1152 00:55:24,350 --> 00:55:21,540 they want to lower the price of gas rigs 1153 00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:24,360 they don't have goodbye yeah it's still 1154 00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:26,190 there but it's obsolescent already it's 1155 00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:28,740 on its way out not yet it's really not I 1156 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:31,230 think we need a I don't think that how 1157 00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,850 of course you do but how could you 1158 00:55:37,940 --> 00:55:34,800 expect something that basic to the major 1159 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:37,950 economies worldwide to go overnight I 1160 00:55:42,329 --> 00:55:40,410 mean obviously when we find out there 1161 00:55:45,029 --> 00:55:42,339 are ETS flying there 1162 00:55:47,969 --> 00:55:45,039 on zero-point energy field dynamic 1163 00:55:49,620 --> 00:55:47,979 trusting that Oh nah nah no it'll still 1164 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:49,630 be you have to you can't just suddenly 1165 00:55:55,289 --> 00:55:52,930 go off the gold standard it just it just 1166 00:55:58,259 --> 00:55:55,299 doesn't happen economically it'll happen 1167 00:56:00,449 --> 00:55:58,269 whether they can happen Rapids Howell is 1168 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:00,459 doing a good job of doing it what how 1169 00:56:04,049 --> 00:56:02,170 put all that needed is what the 1170 00:56:07,319 --> 00:56:04,059 Department of Defense working on oh look 1171 00:56:10,170 --> 00:56:07,329 how horribly non-defense poo-pooed Tesla 1172 00:56:12,509 --> 00:56:10,180 back in 19 well 1910 a concluded 1173 00:56:15,329 --> 00:56:12,519 publicly but they don't do that 1174 00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,339 privately we can't we can't take both a 1175 00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:18,400 say is there is room there is some free 1176 00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:21,910 and forth oh my god leaving off with 1177 00:56:27,089 --> 00:56:24,910 partners and runs are words and more the 1178 00:56:29,729 --> 00:56:27,099 Department of Defense developing free 1179 00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:29,739 energy systems oh and they go and they 1180 00:56:35,099 --> 00:56:33,430 go into meetings every say dzo that's 1181 00:56:36,929 --> 00:56:35,109 why said they've already cut the legs 1182 00:56:38,910 --> 00:56:36,939 out from over the oil and do they 1183 00:56:41,099 --> 00:56:38,920 haven't just hang out in there still 1184 00:56:43,049 --> 00:56:41,109 yeah there are just present falling over 1185 00:56:45,449 --> 00:56:43,059 here I guess I want to take I mean I 1186 00:56:47,579 --> 00:56:45,459 think this I think this ended I'm sorry 1187 00:56:49,529 --> 00:56:47,589 we really I really have no basis to 1188 00:56:51,479 --> 00:56:49,539 argue with you I know I'll be quiet now 1189 00:56:53,549 --> 00:56:51,489 no it's not a matter of being quiet i 1190 00:56:56,099 --> 00:56:53,559 guy there yet I'd like it to be there I 1191 00:56:58,679 --> 00:56:56,109 think that it's way we're all on the 1192 00:57:01,169 --> 00:56:58,689 same page here it's just a matter of is 1193 00:57:03,449 --> 00:57:01,179 it is it already happening has it 1194 00:57:05,549 --> 00:57:03,459 happened is it about to happen but we 1195 00:57:06,569 --> 00:57:05,559 know we all know it's going to happen if 1196 00:57:08,969 --> 00:57:06,579 it hasn't happened yet 1197 00:57:11,459 --> 00:57:08,979 why but it has nothing yet this bill 1198 00:57:13,979 --> 00:57:11,469 addresses think of it this way to I mean 1199 00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:13,989 the internal combustion engine really 1200 00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:16,809 took place what 1910 so 110 hundred 1201 00:57:20,969 --> 00:57:18,729 fifteen years ago there were no cars 1202 00:57:22,949 --> 00:57:20,979 there were no planes there were no jet 1203 00:57:26,189 --> 00:57:22,959 engines it's open the last hundred years 1204 00:57:28,499 --> 00:57:26,199 so within a hundred years we have 1205 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:28,509 evolved from the Wright brothers winding 1206 00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,609 up a toy airplane to going on the moon 1207 00:57:33,749 --> 00:57:32,559 so in the next hundred years I think 1208 00:57:35,729 --> 00:57:33,759 you're going to see the same 1209 00:57:37,919 --> 00:57:35,739 acceleration of change if we managed to 1210 00:57:39,989 --> 00:57:37,929 live through it you'll live through it 1211 00:57:42,059 --> 00:57:39,999 the only thing that will come in the way 1212 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:42,069 will be a plague other than that idly 1213 00:57:45,630 --> 00:57:44,410 through it but too bad there's been 40 1214 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:45,640 years since we've landed on the moon 1215 00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,890 which is a kind of that's another hole 1216 00:57:52,769 --> 00:57:50,079 isn't it that's enough boy we could go 1217 00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:52,779 into that for another I know but I don't 1218 00:57:56,770 --> 00:57:55,070 buy laude any of 1219 00:57:59,050 --> 00:57:56,780 stuff around that although I do buy some 1220 00:58:01,210 --> 00:57:59,060 of it like I think it will take time 1221 00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,220 people didn't want to give it a better 1222 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:04,160 horse and buggy when ya car came along 1223 00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,210 exactly 1224 00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:08,000 I can't get still being suppressed well 1225 00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:09,980 I signed a letter Tesla if it makes you 1226 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:14,000 feel better well go Kate go they're so 1227 00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:16,250 expensive it's hardly worth it you know 1228 00:58:25,180 --> 00:58:19,280 like I asked well listen I'm supporting 1229 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:25,190 exactly well free I think have free 1230 00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:28,610 energy the whole society will change the 1231 00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:30,500 whole comics of the Middle East Oprah 1232 00:58:33,850 --> 00:58:32,420 tank so that everything would think so 1233 00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:33,860 that's really what you're trying to 1234 00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:35,150 bring about a change for the better 1235 00:58:40,660 --> 00:58:36,860 through your understanding of 1236 00:58:44,860 --> 00:58:40,670 spirituality and ETS ETS are a major 1237 00:58:46,930 --> 00:58:44,870 major part of understanding the paradigm 1238 00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:46,940 of the future we're a part of something 1239 00:58:52,780 --> 00:58:50,390 bigger and we are not limited by fossil 1240 00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:52,790 fuels for one Deaton you do not have a 1241 00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:55,640 good message do you think we're part of 1242 00:58:59,380 --> 00:58:57,650 the ETS you think they happen to 1243 00:59:00,820 --> 00:58:59,390 discover us as another sentient 1244 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:00,830 life-form or do you think we were 1245 00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:04,010 connected way back when well my personal 1246 00:59:07,810 --> 00:59:05,320 theory is I think we were already 1247 00:59:11,110 --> 00:59:07,820 genetically manipulated you can call it 1248 00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:11,120 Anunnaki you can call it whatever but we 1249 00:59:20,050 --> 00:59:17,120 did be it's worthy of losing you instant 1250 00:59:21,730 --> 00:59:20,060 upgrade hello I think we want to do a 1251 00:59:23,530 --> 00:59:21,740 little bit I think that you have to 1252 00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,540 repeat the last sentence because we you 1253 00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:25,760 went on and out the question was I think 1254 00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:28,910 the ETS have known about us they let us 1255 00:59:35,110 --> 00:59:31,460 go about and devise our own little thing 1256 00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:35,120 but I think the Anunnaki upgraded the 1257 00:59:41,170 --> 00:59:38,030 evolving primates to hundred thousand 1258 00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:41,180 years ago and civilization begun and we 1259 00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,480 got you know we started to be creative 1260 00:59:48,910 --> 00:59:46,640 inventive beings that separated us from 1261 00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:48,920 the rest of the animals were here we 1262 00:59:56,110 --> 00:59:51,830 still have 99 percent earth genes but is 1263 00:59:58,180 --> 00:59:56,120 that 1% of et chromosomes that have made 1264 01:00:01,150 --> 00:59:58,190 us different than all the other 1265 01:00:06,430 --> 01:00:01,160 life-forms here and we've been monitored 1266 01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,440 and place where at now we're you know 1267 01:00:11,730 --> 01:00:09,040 we'll the full capacity of our brain 1268 01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:11,740 be activated so we can start to 1269 01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:14,230 interface telepathically with the 1270 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:17,560 evolving cosmos that's all around us 1271 01:00:20,910 --> 01:00:18,730 we're not separate from the universe 1272 01:00:23,550 --> 01:00:20,920 we're going to Utley not you're right 1273 01:00:26,310 --> 01:00:23,560 we've not the lonely Bassets of a 1274 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:26,320 lifeless universe I used to say but 1275 01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:28,210 we're not life is not an accident 1276 01:00:32,820 --> 01:00:31,270 there's life on every single planet that 1277 01:00:34,260 --> 01:00:32,830 I mean not every single but the ones 1278 01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:34,270 that can support life which are 1279 01:00:39,810 --> 01:00:37,680 trillions throughout this throughout the 1280 01:00:42,090 --> 01:00:39,820 galaxies with throughout the universe 1281 01:00:44,430 --> 01:00:42,100 throughout the multiverse there are life 1282 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:44,440 ones everywhere lots of life more so we 1283 01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:47,890 we're part of something way way bigger 1284 01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:51,040 and we need to come together in harmony 1285 01:00:56,550 --> 01:00:53,920 and whether we're at this crossroads are 1286 01:00:58,740 --> 01:00:56,560 we going to reach the place where we can 1287 01:01:01,860 --> 01:00:58,750 make contact with these ETS or we're 1288 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:01,870 going to self-destruct under own greed 1289 01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:06,490 and and violence and limited thinking 1290 01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:09,070 this is the crossroads we're at I think 1291 01:01:14,550 --> 01:01:10,720 we goodness I think we're going to make 1292 01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:14,560 it I mean it's why well I feel I thank 1293 01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:17,590 you so much I agree with your ideas on 1294 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:19,720 that and I thank you so much for being 1295 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:22,330 with us on a shattered reality Allen and 1296 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:24,610 I'm sorry if we gave you a little bit of 1297 01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:26,650 a hard time in there but I think that 1298 01:01:31,590 --> 01:01:29,200 this discussion and sort of bouncing 1299 01:01:34,340 --> 01:01:31,600 things back and forth is very important 1300 01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:34,350 to a greater understanding we are a 1301 01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:37,510 conversational podcast so please I hope 1302 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:40,030 that you understand that we were you 1303 01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:42,610 know I know it's always fun it's fun fun 1304 01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:45,670 fun to discuss to disagree to agree this 1305 01:01:50,730 --> 01:01:48,040 is how communication works and this is 1306 01:01:53,070 --> 01:01:50,740 why we're here to all of us all three of 1307 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:53,080 us to evolve civilization because we can 1308 01:01:58,770 --> 01:01:55,930 agree and disagree and how it is is what 1309 01:02:00,450 --> 01:01:58,780 it's about absolutely couldn't agree 1310 01:02:02,850 --> 01:02:00,460 more but thank you so much for sharing 1311 01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:02,860 your ideas with us there really as good 1312 01:02:06,570 --> 01:02:03,790 food for thought 1313 01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:06,580 yes and and I'd have to say that I 1314 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:08,440 really enjoyed speaking with you and 1315 01:02:13,770 --> 01:02:10,690 agree largely with what you're saying 1316 01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:13,780 and goodbye from shadow reality we hope 1317 01:02:18,330 --> 01:02:16,510 to have you one again out okay thank you 1318 01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:18,340 so much it's really been a lot of fun so 1319 01:02:22,340 --> 01:02:19,960 people can look at my website new 1320 01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:22,350 realities calm yes YouTube 1321 01:02:27,140 --> 01:02:25,140 reality youtube.com / new reality and my 1322 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:27,150 upcoming book called 1323 01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:31,050 creating the reality thank you and thank 1324 01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:34,110 you for giving us that website so our 1325 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:36,180 listeners can go to your website we hope 1326 01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:39,450 that they do new realities calm and from 1327 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:41,040 there they can reach all the other 1328 01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:43,050 places that you're involved including 1329 01:02:48,830 --> 01:02:47,280 your YouTube channel correct yes yes 1330 01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:48,840 yeah absolutely 1331 01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:52,110 okay thank you so much thank you very 1332 01:02:54,830 --> 01:02:53,940 lively discussion thank you thank you 1333 01:02:57,380 --> 01:02:54,840 thank you Kay 1334 01:02:58,730 --> 01:02:57,390 nice to meet you take the same here okay 1335 01:03:03,650 --> 01:02:58,740 see you soon Ellen 1336 01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:03,660 bye bye bye so that was nice that would 1337 01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:06,510 water think it was on it's surprising 1338 01:03:11,540 --> 01:03:08,520 how all these people eventually come to 1339 01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:11,550 the same point from different different 1340 01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:13,710 perspectives that's why I that is 1341 01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:16,110 specifically why I took issue with the 1342 01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,510 word because I wanted to get rid of a 1343 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:20,400 word that I would see and and like 1344 01:03:24,790 --> 01:03:22,770 trying to put it on on something we 1345 01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:24,800 could all agree with which was a 1346 01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:27,660 transcendent experience from wherever it 1347 01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:30,180 originates and we sure as heck don't 1348 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:34,740 have the facts on that no no we nice but 1349 01:03:39,590 --> 01:03:37,290 no we don't I want to announce a couple 1350 01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:39,600 of things and the first thing I wanted 1351 01:03:45,740 --> 01:03:42,420 to announce is that our friends at the 1352 01:03:48,260 --> 01:03:45,750 Pine Bush UFO festival in Pine Bush New 1353 01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:48,270 York this is a biggie so listen up yes 1354 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:51,270 this they have announced the date which 1355 01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:55,530 is May 20th and May 21st and here's a 1356 01:04:00,920 --> 01:03:58,740 little secret part we might very well be 1357 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:00,930 involved on those days we've kind of 1358 01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:03,330 gotten an invitation there we have to 1359 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:05,880 iron out the details but it looks like a 1360 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:10,170 big go on that thanks to miss domani 1361 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:14,330 Rodney and our friend Big Al Santa Rita 1362 01:04:21,620 --> 01:04:18,930 of the Bronxville Paranormal Society so 1363 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:21,630 we want to thank them and tell you to 1364 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:23,610 hold the date if you're in the Northeast 1365 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:25,890 all of the day it's a lot of fun it's a 1366 01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:29,250 lot of it is a great it's a great event 1367 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:32,790 there's food there's all kinds of fun 1368 01:04:38,279 --> 01:04:35,890 stuff for families and then there are 1369 01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:38,289 but the more serious individuals there 1370 01:04:43,980 --> 01:04:41,680 are the very very serious discussions in 1371 01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:43,990 the afternoon and lectures at night and 1372 01:04:48,210 --> 01:04:45,609 we're going to be a part of all that I 1373 01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:48,220 think so we'll have to let you know more 1374 01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:51,130 about that any other thing on a personal 1375 01:04:57,180 --> 01:04:54,640 not exactly personal note but somewhat 1376 01:04:59,970 --> 01:04:57,190 personal note I wrote a a blogspot 1377 01:05:04,319 --> 01:04:59,980 that's getting a lot of coverage which 1378 01:05:06,359 --> 01:05:04,329 is extraterrestrial evolution and a lot 1379 01:05:09,210 --> 01:05:06,369 of other people have picked up on it and 1380 01:05:12,289 --> 01:05:09,220 they're reprinting it and they're so if 1381 01:05:16,410 --> 01:05:12,299 you have a chance go to faroush a-- dot 1382 01:05:20,910 --> 01:05:16,420 wordpress.com and the latest a blogspot 1383 01:05:24,089 --> 01:05:20,920 is extraterrestrial evolution so I think 1384 01:05:26,670 --> 01:05:24,099 it do you have Avenue notices Kate no I 1385 01:05:30,359 --> 01:05:26,680 don't just that the holiday season is 1386 01:05:33,539 --> 01:05:30,369 upon us and so a Happy Holidays Merry 1387 01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:33,549 Christmas Happy New Year Hanukkah happy 1388 01:05:38,910 --> 01:05:36,880 whatever hat yes I don't know whatever 1389 01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:38,920 your particular preference is along 1390 01:05:43,319 --> 01:05:40,809 those lines we hope you have a good one 1391 01:05:47,279 --> 01:05:43,329 yes merry merry happy happy 1392 01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:47,289 jingle jingle whatever and and goodbye